Outside of this forum, there seems to be a rote allegiance to the belief that these standing-wave climate behaviors are due to chaos. Apparently no one wants to get involved in the analysis because they have been told that chaos leads to the butterfly effect and the butterfly effect makes long-range predictions impossible.

As an example, this [post](https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2019/01/31/the-hawkmoth-effect/) on the "AND THEN THERE'S PHYSICS" blog considers a concept called the Hawkmoth Effect, which is complementary to the Butterfly Effect, and supposedly just as difficult to deal with.

I've found it very tricky to engage in any kind of sustained discussion with this group. There's very little give and take.